Thursday, September 27, 2012

4☆ Guardians – Berneside Plains


Note: All type recommendations exclude Ace and Cool type, as Ace is always the best type, and Cool is just average performance, neither strengthen nor hinder a Guardian’s abilities.

Most Recommended Guardians (from most recommended to moderately recommended): Vampire, Hecatoncheir, Kraken, Jormungandr, Angel

Besides Angel, all the above recommended Guardians are physical damage dealers.

* Some data taken from Japanese GC Wiki

Kraken

 
HP
MP
ATK
DEF
AGI
WIS
Lvl 1 Cool
830
720
915
800
760
780
Lvl Max Cool
2075
1800
2287
2000
1900
1950
Lvl Max Ace
2282
1980
2516
2200
2090
2145
 
Skill 1
Aqua Shot (Water+2)
Skill 2
Greater Might (ATK+20%)
Skill 3
HeavyBlow (Strong Physical+2)
Skill 4
Greater Protect (DEF+20%)
Skill 5
Double Impact (Strong Physical+3)

Recommended Skills: Skill 2, Skill 4, Skill 5

Kraken is generally used as physical attacker because of his G Might skill and the lack of an elemental+3 skill. Therefore, Int type is generally less valued. Also, since he has very low MP, all types can only cast +3 attack twice without magic stone boosts.

Type Recommendation:

Type
Comments
Chaotic
Good defense build, and he doesn’t need high WIS.
Sexy
Does not yield enough MP for one more +3 skill attack than other types.
Powerful
Slow but very powerful physical attacker
Brave
More defensive build, while can still cast +3 skill twice.
Fast
Not an optimal build, since it lowers his strength (defense) while boosts weakness (speed).
Intelligent
Not very recommended, since he generally does not use elemental attack.

 

Jormungandr

 
HP
MP
ATK
DEF
AGI
WIS
Lvl 1 Cool
924
896
820
850
790
829
Lvl Max Cool
2310
2240
2050
2125
1975
2072
Lvl Max Ace
2541
2464
2255
2337
2172
2280
 
Skill 1
Earth Spike (Earth+2)
Skill 2
Greater Might (ATK+20%)
Skill 3
Rock Bite (Earth+3)
Skill 4
Greater Protect (DEF+20%)
Skill 5
Double Impact (Strong Physical+3)

Recommended Skills: Skill 2, Skill 4, Skill 5

Jorm is very similar to Kraken in many ways, but because of Kraken’s higher ATK, Kraken is usually valued higher than Jorm. Like Kraken, Jorm is generally a physical attack because of his G Mighty skill. He is also relatively slow in speed. If using an Int Jorm, Skill 2 or 5 may be replaced with Skill 3.

Type Recommendation:

Type
Comments
Chaotic
Good defense build, and he generally doesn’t need high WIS.
Sexy
Does not yield enough MP for one more +3 skill attack than other types (except Brave).
Powerful
Slow but very powerful physical attacker
Brave
Can only cast +3 skill twice, but offers better defense
Fast
Not an optimal build, since it lowers his strength (defense) while boosts weakness (speed).
Intelligent
Elemental attacker, but generally not as good as physical attack build.

 

Hecatoncheir

 
HP
MP
ATK
DEF
AGI
WIS
Lvl 1 Cool
822
835
899
850
830
851
Lvl Max Cool
2055
2087
2247
2125
2075
2127
Lvl Max Ace
2260
2296
2472
2337
2282
2340
 
Skill 1
Might (ATK+10%)
Skill 2
Cross Slash (Strong Physical+2)
Skill 3
Greater Might (ATK+20%)
Skill 4
Hard Slash (Strong Physical+3)
Skill 5
Greater Protect (DEF+20%)

Recommended Skills: Skill 1, Skill 3, Skill 4

Hecaton has very good ATK, and thus for higher damage against strong opponents, Skill 1 and 3 for 30% ATK boost is generally recommended (especially for powerful and fast type). An alternative skill build is to replace Skill 1 with Skill 5 for more defense.

Type Recommendation:

Type
Comments
Chaotic
Good defensive build, since he doesn’t need high WIS.
Sexy
Can cast +3 skill one more time than other types
Powerful
Slow but powerful physical attacker
Brave
Defensive build, while can still cast +3 skill twice
Fast
Fast physical attacker build
Intelligent
Not optimal, since he doesn’t have elemental attacks

 

Ramiel

 
HP
MP
ATK
DEF
AGI
WIS
Lvl 1 Cool
800
802
816
773
816
803
Lvl Max Cool
2000
2005
2040
1933
2040
2007
Lvl Max Ace
2200
2205
2244
2126
2244
2208
 
Skill 1
Thunder Strike (Lightning+2)
Skill 2
Greater Cunning (WIS+20%)
Skill 3
Call Lightning (Lightning+3)
Skill 4
Energy Drain (Absorb enemy MP)
Skill 5
Greater Heal (Major HP Recovery)

Recommended Skills: Skill 1, Skill 2, Skill 3

Ramiel is an elemental damage dealer considering his skills. For reasons that I mentioned in Article “Guardian Skills – Tips”, Skill 4 and 5 are not useful. It is possible to keep G Heal for Int type, but Ramiel’s defense is generally the weakest of the 4s that have G Heal (others are Seiryuu and Angel). Thus, I’d recommend not keeping G Heal at all.

Type Recommendation:

Type
Comments
Chaotic
Defensive build, but hinders  his damage dealing ability
Sexy
Does not yield enough MP to cast one more attack skill
Powerful
Not optimal since he doesn’t have physical attack skill
Brave
More defense, but can only cast +3 skills twice instead of 3 times
Fast
Fast elemental attack build
Intelligent
Strong elemental attack build. One of the best types.

 

Vampire

 
HP
MP
ATK
DEF
AGI
WIS
Lvl 1 Cool
835
914
906
835
882
910
Lvl Max Cool
2087
2285
2265
2087
2205
2277
Lvl Max Ace
2296
2513
2491
2296
2425
2505
 
Skill 1
Life Drain (Absorb enemy HP)
Skill 2
Greater Might (ATK+20%)
Skill 3
Energy Drain (Absorb enemy MP)
Skill 4
Greater Haste (AGI+20%)
Skill 5
Hard Slash (Strong Physical+3)

Recommended Skills: Skill 2, Skill 4, Skill 5

Vampire is arguably one of the best 4s in the game. His high ATK and AGI, along with ATK and AGI boosts, makes him a fast and powerful physical damage dealer. An ace Vampire can possibly one-shot kill a lvl max 5 Guardian with lower overall defense. Powerful and Fast are probably the best types after Ace.

Type Recommendation:

Type
Comments
Chaotic
Good defensive build, since he doesn’t need high WIS.
Sexy
Does not yield enough MP to cast one more attack skill
Powerful
Strong physical attacker, but slower in speed.
Brave
More defense, but can only cast +3 skills twice instead of 3 times
Fast
Fast physical attacker
Intelligent
Not optimal, since he doesn’t use elemental attacks

 

Angel

 
HP
MP
ATK
DEF
AGI
WIS
Lvl 1 Cool
764
873
860
751
866
924
Lvl Max Cool
1910
2183
2150
1877
2165
2310
Lvl Max Ace
2101
2401
2365
2065
2381
2541
 
Skill 1
Shine Smite (Light+2)
Skill 2
Heal (HP Recovery)
Skill 3
Shine Burst (Light+3)
Skill 4
Greater Heal (Major HP Recovery)
Skill 5
Greater Protect (DEF+20%)

Recommended Skills: Skill 1, Skill 3, Skill 5

Angel is an elemental damage dealer. Some players, especially beginners, may overvalue Angel because she has healing skills, but as I explained in my article “Guardian Skills – Tips”, it is generally recommended to drop healing skills and keep the buff and attack skills. An alternative skill build is to keep G Heal and drop Light+2, because it is usually hard for Angel to one-shot kill an opponent, and G Heal only activates when her HP is below 50%. Thus, G Heal sometimes can be useful, depending on the strength of your opponents.

Type Recommendation:

Type
Comments
Chaotic
Adds overall defense, but sacrifice damage dealing ability
Sexy
Does not yield enough MP to cast one more +3 attack skill
Powerful
Not optimal, since she doesn’t have physical attack skill
Brave
More defense, but can only cast +3 skills twice instead of 3 times
Fast
Fast elemental damage dealer. One of the best types
Intelligent
Strong elemental damage dealer. One of the best types

 

Pazuzu

 
HP
MP
ATK
DEF
AGI
WIS
Lvl 1 Cool
742
815
860
804
802
789
Lvl Max Cool
1855
2038
2150
2010
2005
1973
Lvl Max Ace
2040
2241
2365
2211
2205
2170
 
Skill 1
Wind Edge (Wind+2)
Skill 2
Explosion (Fire+3)
Skill 3
Double Impact (Strong Physical+3)
Skill 4
Weakness (ATK-20%)
Skill 5
Whirlwind (Wind+3)

Recommended Skills: Skill 3, Skill 4, Skill 5

Pazuzu has relatively weaker overall stats comparing to many other 4s, and thus is not one of the most recommended 4 Guardians. However, his Wind elemental attack makes him strong against some commonly used Guardians, such as Golem and Jorm. In addition, his ATK debuff makes him a good wall card in front of slow but strong 5 Guardian. Pazuzu can be built as either physical or elemental attacker, but naturally more people would favor physical attacker because of his higher ATK.

Type Recommendation:

Type
Comments
Chaotic
Defensive physical damage dealer build
Sexy
Does not yield enough MP to cast one more +3 attack skill
Powerful
Physical damage dealer build
Brave
More defense, but can only cast +3 skills twice instead of 3 times
Fast
Fast physical damage dealer
Intelligent
Elemental damage dealer build

 

89 comments:

  1. Great Job on this blog, absolutely helpful :)

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  2. could anyone suggest the second best type for all 4 stars please?

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  3. Cool vs Fast/Int Angel, which will you recommend?

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    1. I would value Int Angel the best after Ace. And then Cool/Fast

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  4. Thanks! I have both Cool & Fast though. No Int. Hahaha

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  5. Windy, for heca's part I think you meant replace skill 1 with skill 5? The skill 4 seems like a typo :)

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    1. Woooo... my bad. Thanks for pointing it out! I've just corrected it.

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  6. Good information,could you add picture of card,please?

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    1. I will when I get more time ^_^. Been very busy lately T_T

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  7. hi, i have int vampire :( So do I kept his life and energy drain or I should just sac him? :)

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    1. I'd say don't keep life and evergy drain. Use him or trade him.

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  8. Hi,

    I have the following 4* guardians:
    Ramiel (Int) - lvl 24
    Angel (Fast) - lvl 27
    Pazuzu (Cool) - lvl 11
    Vampire (Brave) - lvl 26
    Garuda (Int) - lvl 1
    Seiryu (Chaotic) - lvl 1

    Any recommendations for me to train my guardians? I find my vampire dies quite fast :(

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    1. I recommend you focusing on lvling one guardian at a time to its max level.

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  9. Just want to say a big thank you for the wonderful insights, really helps a beginner alot.

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  10. Hi Wind,

    Other than those Guardians with Revive, can you recommend good to best tanker guardians?

    Right now, I'm holding onto 4* Brave Angel, and I'm planning to use it as my main tank/wall for now. Are there better tank/wall out there? like guardians with better Defense buffs, GHeal and HP ?

    Thnx

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    1. I don't think Angel is good at tanking because of her initial defense stats are not high. Golem is a much better tanker among 4*s. Good tanker needs high HP and DEF, and knowing debuffs is a plus. Healing skills are not too useful for tanking, especially at high ranking Coliseum battles.

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    2. What exactly is "tanking"? Is this placing a strong defensive card in front of you strong attacker to weaken your opponents attacking card? Thanks.

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    3. "Tanking" means that the Guardian has high overall defense, and is likely to survive after the opponent's attack. Placing a card in front of strong attack is called Wall or debuffer (which is wall card with bebuff skills). Tanking Guardians can be used as wall cards.

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    1. It's up to you what Guardians you use ^_^

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  12. Damn Pazazu is the weakest states between all others and I have 2 ace Pazazu -.- i wish I had ace hecta or vamp

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  13. Hiya windy, great guide. Need to know what skills cait and pabilsag learn at 30+ please, would be so helpful!

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    1. At lvl 30, Cait learns Slash (Strong Physical+1), Pab learns Cross Slash (Strong Physical+2).

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  14. Hrm, how terrible! how about at higher levels?

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    1. Pab: def+20%, physical+3
      Cait: poison+2, physical+2

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    2. Thanks alot! wish pab would get a damn debuff.

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  15. I have two heca one cool one fast which is better to keep? ^^
    thanks

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  16. What's the skill that seiryu learns at lvl 50?
    Mine is at lvl 55 with greater protect, greater heal and thunder strike. Chose greater heal as mine is intelligent based. Any1 gt any idea what's the lvl 50 skill? I cant rmb it :(

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  17. Hi Windy, will you do the 4* Guardians list on Glaverow?

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  18. Hi Windy, any idea when you'll put up the list for 4* for Glaverow? I have some Aces from there and would like to know the best skill set to train them up as I'm looking to max them and use them for coli.

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  19. Hello Windy, may I ask if the amount of life steal/mana drain is dependent on wisdom or attack?

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    1. I wrote about that in the "Guardian Skills" article. Basically, Life drain depends on ATK, Energy drain depends on WIS.

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  20. Hey Windy, this is a great blog and the information within has proven irreplaceable to me. I've got a question I was hoping you could weigh in on for me. I've got a max level Ace Ramiel that I taught G Heal to before I found your blog. It's been useful in colliseum sometimes, but I generally find myself wishing I hadn't taken it. I've also got a couple of Rock Biter skill stones laying around. Would it be advantageous to replace G Heal with Rock Biter covering his weakness against other Lightning type monsters? Or considering his higher than average HP and DEF as an Ace would I be better served continuing with G Heal? I'd be left with Greater Cunning, Call Lightning, and Rock Biter.

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    1. Personally I really don't like Healing Skills, cuz it sometimes can get really annoying. So if u were asking for my personal opinion, I'd say replace it with rock bite.

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    2. Yep yep. That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the lightning fast reply, and your constant updates. Cheers Windy.

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  21. Hey awesome blog!ive gotten a 4* revenant from the plains and it does not seem to be in this blog! just wondering if it is better than vampire for a death atribute?

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    1. I'm working on a new post for the 10 new Guardians.

      Revenant has a higher base atk than Vamp, but his problem is that he doent have any buff skills, and that he only has physical+2 as highest physical skill naturally. And Rev's generally slower than Vamp.

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  22. How much MP/stones does a sexy Vampire need to be able to cast +4 again?

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  23. I have:
    Vampire (Cool) level 55
    Hecatoncheir (Cool) level 41
    My friend quit and gave me:
    Vampire (Fast) level 38
    Hecatoncheir (Brave) level 1

    Should I sell my fast vamp or max it then sell my cool vamp?
    Should I stop leveling my cool heca and start with brave or stick to cool then sell my brave?

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    1. For your situation, there's no right or wrong way of doing it. Sometimes it's personal preference issue. Personally I like Fast Vamp and Brave Heca more.

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    2. Oh, I see. I'll go with maxing Fast Vamp. I wasted an Agility III on my Cool Vamp though :( I'll also max Cool Heca then max Brave Heca to eventually phase out my Cool Heca. I'll do the same with my level 38 Cool Kraken and level 1 Brave Kraken then. Thanks for the reply!

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  24. What's about a new guardian Qiong-Ji? I just got an Ace Qiong-Ji. Is it better compare to Heca and Vampire? Could you please give me some advice about its skills?

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    1. I have the same thing, Ace Qiong-Ji hahaha and I'm currently leveling it to see its second skill. Anyone else got any info for this guardian?

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  25. Windy,

    Just wanna ask will an ACE vamp have enough mp (after adding some mana stones) to cast +4 phys twice if I replace his phys +3?

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    1. Just get him to 2800mp, then he can cast twice.

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  26. Oh no, I wish I had found this site sooner! My level 55 Chaotic Kraken has Heavy Blow instead of Greater Protect, that must be why it never lasts long. Have I ruined it? Is my only option to just give it as many Guardian Stones as I can? I also have a Mineral Stone, a Deluge Stone, and a Permafrost Stone, but I doubt those will help since they're skills and not buffs :/

    Btw, I noticed you wrote Hard Blow instead of Heavy Blow in the Kraken's ability table.

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  27. Hi Windy, please help me with ur insights. For Vampire, which 3 abilities I should keep? and why? I thought the life drain and mp drain combo is neat. but I'm at a dilemma when the 4th skill came up. I dunno which one to keep. thx.

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    1. Sorry, one more silly question: what is wisdom stat for? How important is it? (I know its basic, but I cant find it in this blog)

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    2. I wrote about my skill recommendations in the above article. For detailed reasons why not to keep HP/MP drains, plz refer to my article "Guardian Skills -- Tips".

      Wis stats is a measurement for elemental attack and defense.

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    3. Thx Windyfox for the reply. I read the tips, so best combo would be, great might, great haste and the hard slash for the vampire then? Oh, well... no hp/mp drains...hikzz, how abt greater might and hard slash? which is a better keep? thx for ur patience.

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    4. Are u thinking about replacing skills? If so, it depend on the type of Vamp.

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    5. Yes, I accidentally threw away AGI buff in favor of HP/MP drain... so now, I have to choose between HPdrain-MPdrain-Hardslash-greatermight. I have Int. Vampire. According to ur data, its the suckiest version, I know. But I cudn't get my hands on another vampire so far. So its the best I got. What's the diff between attack +20% and Physical attack +2/3/4?

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    6. If urs in Int, keep Hard Slash, G Might, and replace one of the drains with an elemental+3 (or +4 if u want). Attack+20% is a buff skill that increases the guardian's stats in damage calculation. Phys+2/3/4 are actual attack skills that in general cause more damage than normal attacks.

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    7. Thx for the input, its like all of us need u to make decision for us. Banzai Windifox!

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  28. i have a FAST and a POWERFUL Vampire. which one should i Use?

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    1. It depend on what kind of build u want. I've wrote about the characteristics for them in the above article. Sometimes there's no abosolutely right or wrong answer. It's more of a personal preference.

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  29. Would you recommend a Powerful or Fast Vampire given the choice between the two? I have one of each and one open spot in my roster.

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  30. I already got a fast lvl55 Ramiel, then i got a ace ramiel. ZZ. If y'all get an ace guardian, do you immediately replace the non-ace one with the ace one? Omg, the thought of maxing it again!! I was thinking Ramiel is not that great right, so an ace one is not really that fantastic too right?

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    1. I'd always recommend using an ace over a non-ace. If you really don't like Ramiel that much, you can try trading it to another Ace 4*.

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  31. Do you think an Ace Ramiel is better than a Cool Jorm?

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  32. sexy genbu and chaotic kraken...which is better?

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  33. Intelligent Genbu w/ +3 elemental skill stone, WIS+20%, and DEF+20% is a killer. Noms on 5* fire guardians.

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  34. Hey,
    i just wanted to say : good job guys!
    and well, you got a typo there xD
    Pazuzu description: "attack bebuff"

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    1. ahaha~ thanks man ^^ Just corrected XD

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  35. Hi, I have an ace type Hec. Would you still recommend keeping skills 1 and 3 instead of 3 and 5? Or is it better to make it more well rounded with the defense buff?

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    1. I would use it as my first guardian for coliseum fights.

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    2. First of all, place Heca as frontline isn't the smartest idea, since Heca is relatively slow. You would generally use something with high AGI as frontline.

      To answer your question, Skill 3 & 5 is totally fine if you want to build your heca as more defensive.

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  36. Hi Windy, I just caught me 2 Jorm. One Chaotic and one Brave. Which would you recommend to enhance? Thanks in advance! :)

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  37. i just got myself an ace angel (from a giftaway =D) but the previous owner kept G. healing.. i was thinking of replacing it with an elemental attack, which one would be good?

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    1. Many elements can be good. U can read the enhancing and element articles and their comments for details

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  38. hey windy,
    i just got a ace vamp and a ace kraken, wich would you recomend i max out first?

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  40. also, what do you think i could sell my brave lvl55 ramiel with skills 3,4,5 for?

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    1. No idea. I haven't really traded lvl max 4*s that much

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  41. Hi Windy, i have sexy suzaku and int jormungandr, both lvl 55, im now leveling up my cool golem, which one do u think i should drop? suzaku or jormungandr? thanks.

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